Article Declaring End To A Debate Sparks A Debate

Matt Miller writes a piece at Esquire entitled, This Star Wars Analysis Will End the Debate About Luke Skywalker’s Character in The Last Jedi, Sorry haters.

In it he writes:

To be perfectly clear, I thought Star Wars: The Last Jedi was an absolutely entertaining children’s movie. However, it’s been somewhat more entertaining to watch the furious debate about the film in the last seven months since it was released. There are those, like myself, who thought Rian Johnson made the most complex Star Wars movie to date—one that shows growth of beloved dynamic characters who face both triumphs and challenges. Then there are those who think the movie should have been populated by only hot white heroes with lots of abs doing manly things.

Matt links to Dom Nero’s bizarre Esquire rant, which I’ve discredited here.  No one thinks that the movie should have been populated by only hot white heroes with lots of abs doing manly things.  Both Matt and Dom are boldly arguing against a point that no one is making, because they like the sing-song quality of the hyperbole they’ve composed to argue against it, and they don’t want it to go to waste. Additionally, they’re compelled to express their highly fashionable bigotry against the white male.

Those in the latter camp took issue with Luke Skywalker’s character in The Last Jedi. They didn’t like the fact that this man had changed since we last saw him 35 years ago. This is not the character they’ve grown up idolizing! “The characters have lost their relatability,” as the Remake the Last Jedi website complains. They wanted Luke Skywalker to fly down in his X-Wing, to hit some bad guys with his lightsaber, to save the day and live happily ever after with Leia—whether she’s his sister or not.

Again, Matt boldly argues against points that no one is making. Most fans were interested in seeing Luke resemble something akin of Obi-Wan Kenobi in A New Hope, albeit perhaps a bit more advanced with his Jedi skills.  Note that Obi-Wan Kenobi died in A New Hope.  For myself, I was hoping to see something more thoughtful, more advanced, more mature, cosmic, more cerebral, than what we got.  Something more resembling George Lucas’ proposed vision for the Sequel Trilogy, which you can read about here.

But that’s not what Johnson gave us. Instead, Skywalker has been shaped by the challenges of the last 35 years. His opinion about the Jedi, about life, and rebellion, and heroes, and villains have changed. It’s almost as if he’s grown up (gasp!).

Boy, you SJWs sure do like your faux gasps.  Is that meant for impact, or something?  In any case, what Rian Johnson gave us was a man who considered killing his nephew while he slept, who then ran away from his problems to milk space walrus nipples and have the liquid dribble down his chin like a mentally ill homeless vagrant.  That doesn’t qualify as “grown up.”

In one of the best arguments I’ve seen in support of Skywalker’s character in The Last Jedi, Jonathan McIntosh—who runs the YouTube account Pop Culture Detective—explains why Luke’s actions track perfectly with who he was at the end of Return of the Jedi.

Let’s do this.

Jonathan is on the right track here.  But misses a crucial element.


Luke avoided fighting Vader, his father.  It wasn’t until Vader realized that Leia was Luke’s twin sister, his daughter, and suggested that perhaps she would turn to the dark side if Luke wouldn’t, that Luke jumped into action and fought Vader.  So in essence Luke was still in keeping with the Jedi code as taught by Yoda, “A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.”  Luke was defending his sister.

Luke effectively defeated Vader when he cut off Vader’s hand.  What stopped Luke from vanquishing Vader altogether, was when he looked at Vader’s missing severed hand from which mechanical devices were hanging, then looked at his own mechanical hand, that he realized that were he to vanquish Vader, that he would be going down the same path as his father, down the darkside.  That’s what stopped him.

So yes, Luke did in fact stop short of vanquishing Vader for not wanting to take the same path as his father did, down the road of the Sith.  But at the same time, Luke did in fact use his great Jedi warrior skills in defense rather than attack, as Yoda taught him.

Matt continues:

Imagine that! Luke Skywalker failed when he attempted to beat Darth Vader in physical combat.

Except that he didn’t fail at all, as I just explained.

A true hero is one who doesn’t fight at all.

A true hero fights in defense, never in attack.

It’s a subversive notion that was lost on many Star Wars fans who believed that he was mercifully sparing Vader’s life from a position of power. It’s funny that fans don’t understand this, because throughout this entire franchise, Jedi have almost annoyingly touted themselves as arbiters of peace. They value non-violence. They’re more monks than soldiers—which is what Luke realized in his final confrontation with Vader and the emperor.

What’s even funnier is that you’ll continue to believe this, and refuse to acknowledge that I’ve just schooled you, which I have.

Luke’s arc in the original trilogy ends with him not only refusing to kill the bad guy, but refusing to even fight a worse villain. This is why Luke’s force projection standoff with Kylo in The Last Jedi is so perfect. It’s the ultimate expression of everything Luke has learned.

— Jonathan McIntosh (@radicalbytes) July 10, 2018

Luke’s Force projection standoff depicted a guy who refused to get up off his dead @$$ and defend his sister.  This runs contrary to the core being of the character.

The fact that an iconic figure like Luke Skywalker was explicitly framed as *weak* for fighting a murderous villain like Darth Vader is a pretty subversive message, especially for a male hero in Hollywood. And it’s something that, 35 years later, some fans still refuse to accept.

— Jonathan McIntosh (@radicalbytes) July 10, 2018

The only thing subversive here is the constant revisionism from those who haven’t watched the movies very often,  who attempt to get the Original Trilogy to comply with modern SJW ideology, which it doesn’t.

Matt continues:

Though McIntosh doesn’t get into it here, this reading of Skywalker’s character tracks with his decision to kill Kylo Ren when he felt him turning to the Dark Side. That, again, was Skywalker realizing he was giving into his fear, and that’s why he changed his mind. When he fled to solitude, that was his ultimate act of pacifism, as was his non-violent confrontation with Ren in the conclusion of the film.

Except that Luke didn’t flee the Death Star 2.0.  He stayed, standing defiant before the Emperor, before receiving the Emperor’s wrath.  After Vader killed the Emperor, Luke still stayed and attempted to drag his father to a shuttle and safety, still determined to turn Vader back to the good side.

And to give McIntosh’s reading even more credibility, Rian Johnson also approves.

Rian Johnson’s approval doesn’t lend any credibility whatsoever.

Please feel free to include this blog post with it.

The most amusing thing about this article, is that this declaration of an end to the debate, sparked a debate.  Many others had their say too:



Mr. McIntosh blocked the debate.

Unfortunately it appears that Mr. McIntosh will remain ineducable:

25 thoughts on “Article Declaring End To A Debate Sparks A Debate

  1. “A true hero is one who doesn’t fight at all.”

    This is not just a complete misreading of Star Wars or its message. It’s a misreading of the very concept of heroism altogether.

    A hero who doesn’t fight is an oxymoron. It’s someone who lets evil prevail.

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    • This is more SJW garbage. They seem to think that everyone should just sit in their safe space and block people on twitter. That is what REAL heroes do lol. I can’t wait until these morons meet some challenges in life and try this bizarre logic out. The first time the bad guy breaks their nose and ribs and they sit in the hospital with no wallet, I wonder if they will marvel at what a hero they were.

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        • I believe the best term I’ve ever heard was “Echo chamber.” These surround themselves with like-minded buddies who nod in agreement with everything they say. It’s part of the College Culture: “Don’t say anything to offend.” Any opposing point-of-view is frequently viewed as offensive.

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          • Well that’s exactly right. The modern college campus is what came up with the “safe space” so these kids are graduating from a place where everyone told them how wonderful all their ideas were and no one criticized them, and emerging into a reality that is the exact opposite. They can’t cope with it so they block it out as best they can.

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      • Yeah in their world Jake Skywalker is a ‘true’ hero for briefly Force-trolling Kylo Ren and then dying from it. If Jake Skywalker was in ROTJ he would have been hit with one lightning bolt from the Emperor and he would be like ‘ok ok I give up I’ll go to the dark side’. Or in fact, Jake Skywalker would never have even tried to save his father, he would just mutter about how his dad was an asshole. And in fact Jake Skywalker would never have risked the Death Star run in the first place. Jake would never even leave Tattooine. He would get R2 and C3PO, R2 would run away, and Jake would be like, oh. He ran away. Oh well. Better go tell Uncle Owen. Then later he would be burned to death with Owen and Beru. There is no story with Jake! You need Luke I’m afraid.

        Jake Skywalker in TLJ is basically Uncle Owen if he had a bad divorce and let himself go and became suicidal. That’s basically Jake Skywalker. He don’t believe in nothin’ no more.

        So Miller’s ‘pacifist hero’ spin is complete nonsense, while McIntosh basically concedes defeat when he says:

        “The fact that The Last Jedi challenges traditional Hollywood expectations of heroic manhood”

        And translating that from bullshit into English:

        The Last Jedi ruined a hero of cinema.

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  2. SJWS engage in their own kind of ‘projection’, it’s often very disturbing and revealing.

    Like here he has said the Jedi were ‘annoying’ because they were the ‘arbiters of peace’. But in fact Obi Wan said they were the ‘guardians of peace and justice’. A guardian of peace and justice is not the same thing as an arbiter of peace. If you are a guardian of peace and justice it means you are trying to make sure peace and justice are not destroyed by war and injustice. But an arbiter of peace is simply someone with the power to decide whether there is peace or not. And who are the modern day ‘arbiters of peace’? Why it’s the SJWs. They are the ones who threaten to disturb the peace until they get their own warped ‘justice’.

    So in fact it is SJWs who are annoying, not Jedi, because SJWs are the ones who act like arbiters of peace, whereas Jedi are guardians of peace and justice. He projected it onto the Jedis, but clearly what he says applies much more to SJWs. It’s also worth noting the parallel in his own arrogant and condescending approach to the TLJ debate, acting as a self-appointed arbiter of TLJ’s worth, and then retreating with abject cowardice when faced with the prospect of defending his big tissue of lies from counterargument.

    I remember people used to point out this SJW projection thing, I didn’t think too much about it but the more I look the more I see, it’s so real. They unconsciously project their own dark side onto things that they want to slander. And in doing so they reveal more about themselves than about their targets.

    Your thoughts betray you, Matt Miller…

    Bonus example: James Gunn, “You Star Wars fans need therapy!” Your thoughts betray YOU, also, James Gunn,..

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  3. “Then there are those who think the movie should have been populated with white hot heroes with white hot abs doing lots of manly things.” You know you’ve just described a Kylo Ren fangirl, right Mr. McIntosh? Or is that really YOUR secret SW fantasy?

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  4. Sun Tzu would disagree with these shills. The ragtags (the only word I can come up with to describe the Rebels) either accept they are in a war with extremely high stakes, or they adhere to some squishy hippie-era feminist tolerance as the Ultimate Virtue.

    That’s one of the main problems with Disney and its globalist message. Trying to appeal to too many people to maximize profit, but ending up having a watered-down and confusing product. Disney cannot have the white male who desires his own people be seen in a sympathetic light. But Disney also won’t describe how the ragtags would build a coherent society that would withstand internal and external threats long into the future (why the giant global illegal immigration/jihad issue is being ignored).

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  5. Esquire is like Newsweek and Time. Once great magazines that were information and cultural beacons – 60 years ago. Like the Star Wars franchise, and a host of other formerly great properties, their bankrupt hulks have been occupied by SJWs attempting to derive some kind of validity for their sad cult and perhaps generate a few clicks to keep them in twinkles for snacks in their mother’s basement.

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      • Astonishing, and deeply disturbing. Though I do not believe Matt Miller would confess it in print or online, this piece was clearly written to tear the bandage off the wound just one. more. time.

        Can anyone here, other than die-hard social justice supporters, honestly say that the very statement that a poorly informed writer who appeals to authority in his article can finally end a debate?

        This is clearly where the irony was meant to fall. State that an article will end debate, tune it with micrometer precision to incite anger and resentment, then say: “See? You toxic misogynists, racists and bigots just had to disagree with me. I was only trying to finalize the discussion! And you could not take my kind gesture! I even went so far as to say: ‘Sorry haters!’ and you all took it the wrong way!”

        I agree with the assessment that baiting for clicks is the matter at hand. I suppose Esquire wanted a another taste of the pie before the platter was licked clean by the big dogs. I can’t blame Miller. I can see him being hauled into the Chief’s office to be doled out this end-game assignment. He did what he was told, right? May God have mercy on his soul.


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  7. Proclaiming “this Ends the Debate, go home” or otherwise unilateral “consensus” is not unusual for this crowd when the cheap tricks start to attract attention, up to the infamous “Science Is Settled, see the fraudulent statistics”.
    Maybe this should have place in “The Phases …”? Or does it appear at different stages?


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